The Tangerine Tiger Series with Russ Sadler
In this Series, Russ has purchased a new 500 x 300mm, 50W Chinese laser cutter from eBay with a view to modifying and upgrading it. In fact, he rips out the glass laser tube and high voltage power supply and replaces them with an RF laser source and PSU from Cloudray. Find out how the expensive RF laser source compares to a glass CO2 laser tube and prepare to get your hands dirty!
If you are considering purchasing a CO2 laser machine with an RF laser source from one of the big boy suppliers, I would suggest you check out this series before making a decision!

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Looked at from my point of view, I am a very lucky guy because Cloudray have VERY generously sent me some rather expensive equipment to upgrade one of my machines. Hmmm. If I succeed, it could spawn a whole new generation of low cost, high speed, engraving machines. You must admire Cloudray for taking that gamble. HOWEVER, I am expecting either a bribe, or a visit from men in black suits, demanding I desist from showing you how to make cheap fast engraving machines!!!!
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Transcript For A New Learning Adventure: Chinese Laser Cutter
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0:00 welcome to another,
0:03 another what my wife already thinks I’ve
0:08 got another woman out in this workshop
0:10 because I spend so much time here
0:14 I’m going to add another to my harem
0:22 um
0:26 I name the tangerine tiger
0:31 [Applause]
0:32 that’s a waste of a good packet of
0:34 crisps isn’t it yes
0:37 I was stupid enough to buy another one
0:41 I’ve just about got enough room to turn
0:42 around in this workshop now
0:45 with one two three four
0:48 laser machines in here how much trouble
0:50 does a man need
0:52 four laser machines and a wife
0:55 well I suppose I better explain myself
0:57 first of all this is not going to be an
0:59 RDWorks learning lab session
1:02 I’m going to rename this series
1:04 tangerine tiger
1:06 you can see why yeah it’s a vile colour
1:09 but hey I paid less for this
1:14 than i did for my blue my china blue
1:17 machine when i bought that nearly
1:19 five or six years ago I’m losing track
1:21 of time now
1:22 I have to say this is more or less
1:25 exactly the same
1:26 as my previous one things have not
1:29 changed very much at all
1:31 in some ways there are little bits of
1:33 this where the quality is better
1:35 it looks nice and clean everything’s
1:38 black as opposed to gold as it was
1:40 but look at this table
1:44 I mean it’s made of paper aluminium
1:46 paper
1:49 yeah there isn’t much flatness in that
1:52 table
1:52 I’m planning to upgrade this machine
1:55 with all the sort of goodies that i’ve
1:57 put onto the china blue machine
1:59 and take it into another universe
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2:04 this adventure is probably going to be a
2:06 lot shorter because i haven’t got to
2:07 learn
2:08 quite so much about the laser technology
2:11 there are parts of it that i have got to
2:13 learn about so don’t get worried there’s
2:14 going to be quite a few in this series
2:17 but again a bit like the fiber laser
2:20 this is going to be
2:21 a little bit niche although this machine
2:24 at about a thousand pounds
2:26 is cheap what I’m going to add to it is
2:29 not cheap seems silly to waste these
2:31 doesn’t it
2:32 oh my goodness me they’re not chips
2:34 they’re crumbs
2:37 [Applause]
2:38 i mean you can’t eat these one at a time
2:42 any longer
2:48 you really need a shovel
2:51 so what’s the plan
2:58 well apart from fixing that door because
3:00 [Applause]
3:02 if you push it over that way it doesn’t
3:05 close
3:06 but if you pull it over this way it
3:09 works fine
3:12 now i’ve got exactly what i was
3:14 expecting when i opened this lid
3:18 let’s take the lid off so that we can
3:21 see what’s going on
3:23 now there are a couple of things I’d
3:24 like you to make a note of first of all
3:27 this tube it’s exactly what i expected
3:29 to find in here
3:31 a piece of junk the company here
3:35 kh laser look as though they make this
3:38 tube
3:40 they put their label on it but it wasn’t
3:42 made by kh laser because kh
3:45 does not exist as a laser manufacturer
3:47 laser tube
3:48 producer it says on here manufactured by
3:51 shangdong ke hui laser equipment company
3:54 limited
3:55 wrong it really ought to say
3:58 labelled by and tested by
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4:03 poorly tested by um because
4:08 first of all this claims to be a 50 watt
4:11 tube
4:12 now that’s absolute rubbish because it’s
4:14 50 millimetres diameter oh it’s actually
4:16 not
4:18 oh it’s 54
4:21 normally if you’d get this at 50 mil
4:24 diameter
4:25 and 800 millimetres long which is what
4:27 this is 800 millimetres long
4:29 this would be an absolute certain 40
4:32 watt tube
4:33 the fact that is slightly bigger than 50
4:37 but still the same length still makes it
4:39 a 40 watt tube
4:42 now it says 50 watts peak power on here
4:47 and agreement power 40 watt 49 watts
4:51 why would it be 49 watts peak power is
4:54 normally at least
4:55 10 more than the
4:58 agreement power they don’t tell you what
5:01 the current is
5:02 to run this at this tube will be a
5:05 reject
5:06 a b grade reject that has not made the
5:08 quality grade
5:09 at the normal manufacturer k we have
5:12 come along
5:13 tested these tubes make sure they work
5:16 enough to fool you but not me
5:19 um into thinking that it’s a good tube
5:22 it might be nearly okay
5:24 or it might be nearly junk who can say
5:27 the fact that it hasn’t got metal ends
5:29 on it
5:31 is a good indication that this is
5:32 already a cheap tube before you start
5:34 when you open one of these machines up
5:37 don’t expect to get a good quality tube
5:39 this was bought for peanuts and sold to
5:42 you for a profit
5:43 so when you buy one of these machines it
5:46 will sort of work
5:47 but to get performance out of this
5:49 machine you’ll need to replace this with
5:51 a proper
5:52 a grade tube but the power supply may
5:55 also be a b
5:56 grade power supply it may well be that
5:59 it has got a poor
Transcript For A New Learning Adventure: Chinese Laser Cutter (Cont…)
6:00 response time and that failed the
6:03 response time
6:04 performance which should be ninety
6:07 percent of the demand power
6:08 in less than one millisecond well it’s
6:10 only got to be one and a half
6:11 milliseconds
6:13 and it fails and these codes come along
6:15 and scoop them up for next to nothing
6:16 and fit them into these machines
6:18 but if you go into that with your eyes
6:20 open as i did
6:22 then you’re not going to be disappointed
6:25 if you buy the machine cheap enough you
6:26 can afford to spend another 200
6:28 or 300 pounds on getting a decent tube
6:31 and then you finish up with a half
6:32 decent machine
6:35 now the first thing that I’m going to do
6:38 is to take this tube out of here oh my
6:41 goodness me i’ve just spotted
6:42 look we’ve got we’ve got a 12 volt cable
6:45 here which it might even be six volt
6:47 that goes up to the led strip along the
6:49 back there
6:50 um it’s taped in with the earth wire
6:53 that comes back from the cathode
6:55 and all of these wires run down beside
6:58 the hv cable we’ve got
7:02 a fantastic induction coil i mean it’s
7:05 just
7:06 unbelievable some of the things that
7:07 they get up to
7:11 now we’ve got these tubes here which
7:15 if you leave them as is look this has
7:18 got a great big kink in it
7:19 absolutely diabolical thing is look
7:23 they’ve put the outlet here at
7:26 nine o’clock three o’clock horizontal
7:29 air
7:30 does not find the median point
7:33 that outlet should be sitting at 12
7:36 o’clock
7:37 and so the air in this tube will
7:39 automatically flow up and go
7:40 out and be purged out the air will not
7:43 be purged
7:44 out of here it looks as though they put
7:45 lime juice in here
7:47 um i don’t know what this is but good
7:50 job
7:50 I’m actually not going to be using this
7:52 to you it looks as though they may well
7:54 have nicked
7:55 one of my ideas from a long time ago
7:58 because
7:59 they have this tube and this mirror
Transcript For A New Learning Adventure: Chinese Laser Cutter (Cont…)
8:03 mounted on this back plate this single
8:06 plane
8:07 but one thing that you will notice it’s
8:09 adjustable
8:11 back and forward so that you can get the
8:14 mirror number one lined up with
8:17 mirror number two so perhaps somebody
8:20 has been watching my videos in china
8:23 and they’ve decided that yeah fixing
8:25 mirror one relative to the tube
8:27 is a good idea although i’ve been able
8:29 to get china blue
8:30 running nice and fast the problem is
8:34 i can’t exploit it really to its fullest
8:36 extent
8:37 because i’ve also understood that i
8:40 cannot get
8:41 high speed photo engraving from it
8:44 because
8:44 the response time from the power supply
8:46 itself to produce single dots
8:48 is just not capable hence the reason why
8:52 I bought this machine as another
8:54 development machine
8:56 and what we’re planning to do we’re
8:58 going into the Trotec
9:00 epilogue and universal orchard to pinch
9:04 some of their apples this is a 30 watt
9:06 rf laser
9:08 and I’m going to strap that into into
9:10 here
9:11 and turn this into a rocket of some sort
9:14 so you’re going to follow me into a new
9:15 adventure
9:16 on laser machines i haven’t got a clue
9:19 how these things work
9:20 or how how they actually perform
9:24 now we shall find out and we should find
9:26 out not via menus
9:28 which is the way that the big companies
9:31 operate
9:31 they don’t allow you to see what’s
9:33 really going on
9:35 they don’t explain what’s really going
9:37 on they just tell you to press various
9:39 buttons and choose various menus to suit
9:41 various applications and materials
9:43 no no you know that’s not my style i
9:45 want to know how this thing works i want
9:47 to know how it performs with different
9:48 materials and why
9:50 so i hope you’ll join me in this new
9:53 adventure with
9:54 my beloved tangerine tiger
9:57 so welcome to the new woman in my life
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10:01and i hope you’re going to come along
10:02 with me and watch how we transform this
10:05 from ordinary to extraordinary
10:09 well i think while we’ve got the back
10:11 off the machine we might as well make a
10:12 pretty radical start and take the tube
10:16 out
10:18 let’s not bother to unwrap that should
10:20 be let’s just
10:23 slip that
10:29 we’ll snip this as we’re not going to be
10:30 using this tube
10:33 snip that off there a good quality long
10:37 life tube
10:38 will have a nice pink looking hue
10:42 to what they call the ionization tube in
10:44 the centre
10:46 yeah there’s no pink in there so this is
10:48 definitely a cheap
10:49 short life tube
11:04 and there we go now we can see the wood
11:08 for the trees there we go we can open up
11:10 the lid and
11:11 see what’s inside there the good news is
11:15 that it’s got a half decent solid
11:18 coupling on here
11:19 not one of these silly flexible wind-up
11:21 couplings
11:24 it’s quite a stiff mounting bracket on
11:26 the back here
11:28 that’s good pulleys are not stupidly
11:31 small they’re not large but they’re okay
11:34 so we’re not going to get any curtains
11:37 from
11:37 these but we certainly might get
11:38 curtains from pulleys that small
11:41 on the x drive but we’re going to sort
11:42 that out now this is really poor
11:44 practice this
11:45 look they’re using this sensor as
11:48 a means of stopping when it gets to
11:51 within a certain distance
11:53 but if you drive this y-axis fast enough
11:56 it will smack straight into here before
11:59 it has a chance to stop the inertia of
Transcript For A New Learning Adventure: Chinese Laser Cutter (Cont…)
12:00 this and we take it past
12:02 so this really ought to be mounted the
12:05 other way
12:06 so that it’s detecting underneath here
12:09 somewhere so we’re gonna have to fix
12:10 that at some stage before we actually
12:12 use this machine properly
12:14 generally speaking i have to say apart
12:17 from these little criticisms
12:19 it’s not bad the quality of the work on
12:22 here
12:23 it’s it’s pretty good one thing that is
12:25 a bit of a disaster
12:27are these two screws here which are the
12:29 belt tensioning screws
12:32 for the x-axis
12:35 there is nowhere first of all these are
12:38 these are cap head screws with an allen
12:40 key you cannot physically get
12:42 in there anywhere to adjust the tension
12:46 on the belt
12:47 at some point I’m going to have to put a
12:48 hole in the side wall here
12:50 so that i can get access with an allen
12:52 key to tension this belt up but on the
12:55 other hand it does show you that this
12:56 whole assembly here has been
12:58 pre-assembled before it’s been dropped
12:59 into the machine
13:00 the height of this mirror here which is
13:02 mirror number two
13:03 the centre of that mirror has actually
13:05 got to be the defining point
13:08 where I’m going to have to set the head
13:10 the centre of mirror
13:11 number one right what we’re going to
13:14 have to measure
13:16 we’re going to have to use this rail
13:18 here as a reference
13:20 because we can we can measure from here
13:22 to
13:23 somewhere here anywhere it doesn’t
13:25 matter where we measure to but once we
13:26 determine where the centre of that
13:28 mirror
13:28 is relative to this rail we’ve got the
13:31 problem solved
13:32 well the height of that platform to the
13:34 rail
13:38 40.7 so the mirror is 46
13:42 square but it’s off the deck 49
13:46 that’s about right so it’s about three
13:47 millimetre gap under there
13:52 so half of 46 is 23 plus the three is 26
13:56 is plus the 41 so centre height is about
13:59 67 above the rail
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14:01 and what i can do now just make sure
14:03 i’ve got my zero set properly
14:05 so the top of that bracket is 16 above
14:07 the rail
14:14okay so there’s our scenario now
14:18 we’ve got the centre of the mirror 67
14:19 above the rail
14:21and we’ve got the top surface of that
14:22 bracket 16 millimetres
14:25 above the rail so therefore the
14:28 centre of the mirror has got to be 51
14:31 above that bracket
14:32 but give or take a little bit roughly
14:36 that’s 28 mil 22 which is 7
14:408 okay so we’ve got to mount this unit
14:46 22 millimetres above the base
14:49 [Music]
14:51 and that’s it
14:54 that’s going to fit in there wonderfully
14:55 well isn’t it if I put the stiffness
14:58 underneath this tray I can put some
15:01 pillars up
15:02 onto these fixings here and
15:06 this whole thing will sit up in the air
15:07 and I should get plenty of air around it
15:10 and we’ll have lots of air holes in the
15:12 cover so the other thing that we’ve got
15:14 to fit in here is a 48 volt power supply
15:17 and look at that this is absolutely
15:20 perfect isn’t it but before we try and
15:23 fit all this lot in
15:25 I’m going to cut away the side of the
15:26 machine so that i can get access to the
15:29 stepper motor
15:30 well that’s a quick overview of the
15:31 adventure
15:33 next time we’ll start cutting holes in
15:35 the end panel
15:37 turning the belt over making a mirror
15:40 too
15:41 and then we start looking at the head we
15:43can fairly quickly
15:45 bash this machine into mechanical shape
15:47 much the same
15:49 as my china blue machine and then we can
15:52 start playing with the
15:53 actual lace unit itself so all exciting
15:56 times
15:57 I hope you kind of come along and join
15:58 me in this adventure because I’m getting
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16:00 quite excited about it but
16:01 I’m not forgetting the fact that a i’ve
16:04 still got lots more fiber laser stuff to
16:06 do and b
16:07 i’ve still got quite a bit to do with
16:09 the
16:10 laser technology itself especially long
16:12 focus
16:13 compound lenses so
16:16 until one of the sessions
16:19 thanks for your time and I’ll see you
