The Lightblade Learning Lab with Russ Sadler
The Lightblade Learning Lab is a series of videos that Russ did for Thinklaser Limited based on using the Lightblade 4060 Laser Cutting and Engraving Machine. Thinklasers Lightblade 4060 has a 400 x 600mm bed size and was supplied with a 60W EFR laser tube. In this session, Russ takes a look at laser focusing lenses, their properties, intensities and their different uses.

Contents
- Looking at the beam and where its energy is concentrated
- Energy density
- Size of beam when focused – grows with focal length of lens
- Reason for using lenses with different focal lengths
- The concept of ‘working length’
- Using the focus ramp (see Video 10) to show how the energy density varies with the distance from the lens
- Setting the height of the lens from the work and the power of the laser
- Looking at the scorch lines on the ramp in close-up
- Building up a picture of the beam’s profile with different lenses
- Looking at the Watts per square millimetre
- The damage threshold of various materials
- The effect of speed and using the right lens
- The reason that the Lightblade customer is provided with 3 lenses
- Cutting parameters
My thanks go out to Tom at Thinklaser for giving permission to embed these videos on this site. If you are looking for a new laser machine from a quality supplier, then I would suggest you check out their website: www.thinklaser.com.
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00:14
Welcome to another Lightblade learning lab,
00:18
today we’re going to be talking about
00:21
lenses again but lenses are very
00:24
important because they focus the light
00:27
energy or the beam energy that we’ve got
00:30
coming out of this machine down into a
00:33
very small point which is where the work
00:36
is done the beam itself is as we found
00:40
out maybe eight nine ten millimeters
00:43
diameter, it’s quite large
00:46
most of the energy is concentrated in
00:48
the central section probably within the
00:50
central fifty percent of the beam, all the
00:52
energy that we can collect is
00:54
concentrated down through the lens into
00:57
a very very small area here I’ve got some of my
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hairs which you can hardly see now if I
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measure one of those hairs we can see
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that it is point oh four point oh five
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millimeters diameter double that up to 0.1 and
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that’s the size of the laser beam
01:16
that we are probably going to get on the
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best lens that we can probably find for
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this machine and that’s a one and a half inch
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Lens for this machine, now when you start getting up to a
01:28
two inch. two-and-a-half inch and a four inch lens
01:32
those numbers start growing considerably
01:36
maybe up to 0.2 or 0.3 even now 0.3
01:41
is still not very thick but it makes a
01:44
huge difference to the way in which the
01:47
power is delivered onto the surface now
01:50
look here I’ve got
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a tool that I’ve just picked up out of my workshop
01:55
it’s got a very sharp point on one end
01:58
and a blunt section on the other end. Here
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I’m going to press as hard as I possibly
02:05
can on that card and wobble it around
02:08
with that end
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how much of an impression have I made? Not
02:15
very much
02:17
now i’m going to press the same amount
02:19
of energy because I haven’t changed my
02:22
strength and I was doing exactly the
02:25
same thing with the other end
02:27
now there’s a pretty significant hole in
02:32
there
02:36
that’s nearly through to the other side
02:38
this one
02:39
well it’s hardly marked the surface there’s a
02:42
mark on there but I can feel that
02:44
it’s just the smallest dent and this is
02:47
a very soft card so I would’ve expected
02:49
to have caused more damage than that but
02:52
the reason why I haven’t caused more
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damage is because the energy that I’m
02:56
able to put into that is spread over a
02:59
much much larger area where as when I do
03:04
it this way around the energy is
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concentrated into that point
03:10
so the point is an energy concentrator
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basically what we’ve got we’ve got a
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much higher and you’ll hear me using
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this term a lot the energy density the
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energy per square millimeter is a lot
03:24
greater when i do that then it is when i
03:28
do that
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and that’s the principle of why we
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use different lenses and you say well ok
03:37
if we use a lens that produces a shape
03:43
like that a very thin hair like beam
03:48
we’ve got huge energy density we can do
03:50
a lot of damage to the product
03:52
why don’t we just use one of those? The
03:56
answer is in this very crude diagram that I’ve put
03:58
here we may be able to concentrate the
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04:02
energy in a very small area as opposed
04:05
to the larger area that we saw
04:08
demonstrated in my mechanical
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demonstration but the 1.5 inch lens
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focuses the light like this it’s
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a very sharp shaped lens which goes down
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to a sharp point but it goes down to
04:25
sharp point quite quickly and expands
04:28
again very quickly so it’s useful
04:31
working length is actually very short
04:37
now this one which is the 2-inch lens
04:40
okay it’s got a bigger footprint
04:42
but it’s working length where the energy
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density remains reasonably constant is
04:52
larger and this one which is the
04:55
two-and-a-half inch has got an even
04:57
shallower beam shape and it has a
05:03
working length which is much longer
05:08
so you’ve got these strange properties
05:09
associated with the focused light you
05:13
can either have lots of energy over a very small
05:15
length or you can have less energy over
05:18
much longer lingth and this is the
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trade-off you’ve got between lenses. Now
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what we’re going to do today is i’m
05:27
going to try and turn these drawings into
05:32
a real picture in other words I’ve got
05:35
my focus gauge here which runs from the
05:39
focal point plus 4 millimeters to the
05:43
focal point minus 4 millimeters
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ok now my intention is to draw a line
05:54
along here and hopefully if I get it
05:58
right
05:59
I will manage to get the focal point in
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06:01
the middle and so we can see that the
06:03
change of line thickness and power or
06:07
density, energy density changes as we
06:10
move along the line because at this
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point here we’ve got a big footprint and
06:16
at this and we’ve got a big footprint
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we’ve got a very small one in the middle
06:19
so that means their energy density at the
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top here is very small, in the middle
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it’s very high and we get less of a
06:28
change with these because although we
06:31
might be starting off at the same length
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the same diameter we don’t get we come
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down in a much shallower curve. Right now
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I’m just going to do a quick pulse test
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to make sure that my beam is
06:42
approximately in the right place to give
06:44
me good consistent power
06:51
that looks pretty good now I’m not going
06:53
to bore you to death with hundreds and
06:55
hundreds of results what I’m going to do
06:57
is to show you my method and then we’ll
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work on from there, i will carry on
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working and show you the end results now
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what I’ve got here is my focus ramp
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which takes me from zero in one
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millimeter steps out to 4 millimeters plus and
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4 millimeters minus. Now I’m gonna pop
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that in there and actually what I’ve got
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this time I’ve got some card and it’s
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one millimeter thick card so it’s nice
07:25
and stiff so that when I pop it in here
07:28
there is no chance that it’s going to
07:32
flex in any way at all
07:36
in other words this surface here is
07:37
going to be as flat as the reference that
07:40
i can produce on here and i’ve also used
07:42
my metal surface here my flat metal
07:44
surface because i know that that is true
07:48
well I can see that I’ve got a 2-inch
07:50
lens here and a two and a half inch
07:53
lens so by default that one must be a
07:56
one-and-a-half inch lens and what we’re
07:59
going to try and do to put to start with
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08:01
that I’m going to turn this over the
08:06
other way like this and I’m going to try and
08:09
set this so that the power just burns
08:13
through somewhere around about the focal
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point
08:17
ok so we’re starting off these tests with
08:20
a speed of a hundred millimeters per
08:24
second and a power of 25% now I’ve got no
08:29
idea what that is in terms of watts but
08:31
we’ll sort that out later, I’ve got the focal
08:34
point set to 7.5 millimeters
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ok let’s look at our result
08:49
have we got what we’re looking for yes
08:51
we have now what we’ve got here we’ve
08:56
got something that runs from two and a
09:00
half plus to about 1 minus, it’s about a
09:07
millimeter too high so what we’ve got to
09:10
do to put that back in there again
09:12
instead of seven half millimeters we
09:16
really ought to drop that down to six
09:18
and a half millimeters same speed same
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power
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and there we go that we’ve moved it down now
09:27
we’ve gone from we’re roughly one and a
09:31
one and three quarters to two and a
09:36
quarter so we may well have gone too
09:38
much but we’re now going to do is we’re going
09:41
to change the power slightly because
09:43
this has cut through as you can see this
09:47
is cut through and what I want to do is
09:49
try and decrease that length now ah there we go
09:53
right up the middle
09:54
fifteen percent we’re just about making
09:56
it through just about making it through
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and would you believe it looks as though it’s
10:02
about minus one and just about +1 maybe
10:06
one and a half, so we still might be a
10:08
little bit out on centering but that’s not
10:12
bad
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so we do a result on the front so we can
10:15
see what the dimensions are now this is a
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two-and-a-half-inch lens test which is
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typical for the other tests that just
10:22
been doing
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so the first thing I’m going to do is to
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set the power and the power has got to be
10:31
set up to 17%
10:37
now we do it this way just so that we’ve got
10:39
something to measure on the front
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so that’s 10mm/s
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focus is 5.5
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here we are looking at the scorched line for the
11:09
2 inch focal length lens now this is the
11:13
line as it entered the bottom of the
11:16
ramp this is four millimeters below the
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focal point now you’ll see that they
11:23
look like a couple of tram lines along
11:24
there but when we look a bit closer and
11:28
tip the card up you can clearly see
11:31
that it’s a V-groove cut by the laser
11:35
itself into the card but i’d like you to
11:37
look at the top of the V and I think
11:39
you can see there’s a very small almost
11:41
a filleted radius on the top of the V where
11:44
the power has dropped off quite
11:46
dramatically now I’m going to basically
11:50
for these measurement purposes I’m
11:53
going to ignore the little fillet radius
11:56
on the top of the V because that
11:58
basically has got no significant power
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12:01
it’s enough to scorch the edge but that’s all
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it is doing so what I’m really
12:05
interested in is the powerful cutting
12:07
piece towards the center where the V is
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going all the way down from the vertical
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now what i’m going to do is measure
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all positions between minus 4 and plus 4 to
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get nine results and then we’ll take a
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look at the shape of the line now I have a
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glass graticule which is marked off in
12:25
point 1 millimeter divisions it’s
12:28
possible with this microscope to
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reasonably accurately measure the
12:31
dimensions
12:32
I mean I’m once i get below point one of
12:36
a millimeter which is the division that
12:37
you can see on here you can easily
12:39
estimate to half a tenth which is
12:41
.05 point .025 well that’s a little bit
12:46
flaky but I’ve attempted it in a few places
12:49
well here we are measuring the dimension
12:51
right at the end which is the minus 4 position
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then we’re moving along to the minus
12:56
three position quickly taking it all the
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way through to zero over the course of four
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millimeters I think you can see how
13:03
dramatically the the line has changed so
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just in case it’s confusing with the
13:09
graticule in the way i’ll show you a
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series of pictures we start from the
13:12
lens here at four millimeters and then
13:15
three millimeters
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and then two millimeters and then one
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millimeter and then 0 that’s how the beam width
13:23
is changing as it goes from four down to
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zero the focus point, well after a lot of
13:28
tedious repetitive work we finish up
13:31
with this rather daunting array of
13:33
figures here now don’t get too upset
13:36
because it’s actually very very simple
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let me just explain let’s start off here
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at this two-and-a-half inch focal length
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lens and what we find is we’ve got the
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focus point here at zero and then we’ve
13:48
got plus or minus 4 millimeters above
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and below the focus point now the beam
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diameter translates to a beam area and
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this is the area in square millimeters
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in this next column and then what we’ve
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got across here are 10 20 30 all the way
14:06
through a 100 watts of power that could be
14:10
going through the lens so if we had as
14:15
in my case a 60 watt tube, that doesn’t
14:17
mean to say there was 60 watts going
14:18
through the lens but let’s just stay
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with 60 watts now right at the focal
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point we have the smallest possible beam
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that we can get and in this instance it
14:29
was 0.18 of a millimeter now we
14:32
translated that diameter into an area
14:35
square millimeter area so if we squeezed
14:38
10 watts into 0.25 square millimeters we
14:45
will finish up with 393 Watts per square
14:49
millimeter it’s just a standard
14:51
definition and that is called energy
14:54
density now we’ve calculated the energy
14:57
density for different wattages for that
15:01
same spot size and you can see how the
15:03
energy density creeps up why do we and
15:06
why are we interested in energy density
15:08
every particular material will have a
15:13
threshold of damage, burning damage
15:16
because basically that’s what our beam
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is doing its burning the material now
15:21
that threshold maybe a thousand watts
15:27
per square millimeter it maybe 10,000
15:29
watts per
15:30
square millimeter it’s difficult to say
15:32
because there is no information out
15:34
there on the internet which tells me
15:36
what this burning threshold is now for
15:40
this exercise I used card which had
15:43
some sort of substance or body to it, it
15:45
was one millimeter thick and it required
15:47
a noticeable amount of power to cut
15:51
through it the amount of energy required
15:54
to cut through that card will ultimately
15:58
be defined by the energy density
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itself that it can resist but i’m
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suspecting that card the card that I
16:08
used is probably sitting here with an
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energy density of probably somewhere in
16:13
the region only maybe four or five
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hundred now if we were to draw a line a
16:19
vertical line through those three graphs
16:22
at roughly where my arrow is which is
16:25
about 500 watts per square millimeter i
16:30
suspect that at 500 watts per square
16:32
millimeter i would probably be somewhere
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near the damage threshold for that card
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but the reason why I want to bring that
16:42
to your attention is because each one of
16:45
these lenses and we’re looking at the 60
16:47
watt energy density for the lenses is
16:51
capable of exceeding the energy density
16:54
required to damage that card so that
16:58
means that any of those lenses i could
17:02
use to cut the card
17:04
ok something else rather interesting
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about these pictures is the way that
17:11
they actually describe the type of
17:15
lens they are imagine these to be
17:19
three different types of knife one of
17:21
them very sharp like a scalpel this one
17:25
being a bit like a pain knife and this
17:29
one being more like a butter knife now i
17:33
think if i give you that analogy you
17:36
will clearly see that it doesn’t require
17:38
much effort to cut something with a
17:40
scalpel
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it will require more effort to cut the
17:44
same thing with a penknife and a lot
17:47
more effort to try and cut it with a
17:48
blunt butter knife, that will help you to
17:51
visualize how and why you would want to
17:54
use a certain type of lens we’ve already
17:59
seen this sharp lens can cut with as
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18:02
little as 17 watts whereas in fact cutting
18:06
the same material with a blunt lens takes
18:11
54 watts and I hope that that clearly
18:17
describe the difference between these
18:18
sets of lenses now I, now I need you to
18:21
do a little bit of mental gymnastics
18:23
because i want to bring you back to the
18:26
fact that i used a hundred and ten
18:28
millimeters per second speed to do all
18:31
of these tests i could have used this
18:33
and lets call it a blunt lens which
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takes 54 wats to cut through the
18:39
material at hundred and ten millimeters
18:41
a second i could have used 15 watts to
18:46
cut through the same material but i
18:50
would have had to do it at very very
18:52
much slower speed it certainly has more
18:55
power than the damage threshold of the
18:58
material so it will definitely cut the
19:01
material but it won’t cut it as
19:03
efficiently if we were to use the red
19:06
lens with 15 watts of power we would
19:10
probably have to run it maybe ten maybe
19:13
even less than that millimeters per
19:15
second to achieve a cut
19:17
where as cutting that same cardboard
19:19
with the sharp lens we can do it at a
19:23
hundred and ten millimeters per second
19:25
that again hopefully reinforces why you
19:29
would want to use the right lens for the
19:31
right job if you’re only ever cutting
19:34
thin materials
19:35
why would you ever go and use it two and
19:37
a half inch lens or a two inch lens when you
19:40
can slice through it at a much faster
19:42
speed with a one-and-a-half inch lens so
19:44
if you’re only using one of the half and
19:46
two millimeter thick material it’s a
19:48
no-brainer if you’ve only got a 60 watt
19:50
machine
19:51
so I hope these illustrations have
19:54
demystified why you were supplied with
19:57
three lenses and why you might want to
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20:00
seek a fourth lens in your armory
20:03
depending on the power of machine that
20:05
you’ve decided to buy so longer length
20:08
lens requires more powerful machines and
20:11
more powerful machines means you can cut
20:13
thicker materials so i hope this begins
20:15
to remove some of the mystery about why
20:18
you would want different types of lenses
20:20
ok now there was another very good
20:23
reason why I’ve approached the tests in
20:27
the manner that I did, i used a thickish
20:30
card i use a constant speed but what I
20:34
did was to vary the power to just get a
20:40
cut through the material for each one of
20:43
these three lenses technically what that
20:45
means is i was using the card as a
20:49
measure of the energy density that was
20:53
in the beam in other words i had to have
20:55
the same amount of energy density
20:57
available in each one of these lenses to
21:01
just cut through the card and what we
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can do is we can look at the results the
21:06
backward way round
21:08
i was using seventy percent power which
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when I look it up on my calibration
21:12
chart which I’ve got for the tube it was
21:15
approximately 62 watts now we assume
21:19
that we’re going to lose power through
21:21
the mirrors there’s three mirrors each
21:24
losing three percent let’s just assume
21:26
and a lens which could be another three
21:29
percent so we could be losing as much as
21:32
twelve percent through the transmission
21:34
system before we get down to the work so
21:37
the available power at the work could be
21:40
as little as 54 watts now I don’t
21:43
know this for a fact because I didn’t
21:45
measure it
21:46
54 watts divided by 0.25 square
21:49
millimeters gives us an energy density
21:52
of 2160 watts per square millimeter
21:56
when we do that same calculation for the
21:59
2-inch lens where we were able to use
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twenty percent power
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which was 28 watts less the twelve
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percent brought it down to 25 watts so
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we divide 25 Watts by the area of the
22:14
beam at the focal point we get 2080 watts
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and similarly when we do the same result
22:21
here for the one-and-a-half inch lens
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we find ourselves using sixteen percent
22:25
power which is equivalent to 17 watts
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less the twelve percent is 15 watts and
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when we do that calculation again with
22:34
the area of the footprint we find that
22:38
we get two thousand three hundred watts
22:40
per square millimeter now I hope you can
22:43
see that it’s not perfect but it’s in the
22:48
right sort of region we’ve got a typical
22:51
we’ve got a typical energy density here
22:56
which we’re using to damage this material
22:58
which is a round about 2,100 2,200
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watts per square millimeter now this
23:05
was never meant to be a perfect
23:07
scientific experiment and I never
23:08
expected to get results may be quite as
23:11
good as this but it does demonstrate
23:13
clearly that that material regardless of
23:18
the lens that we fire at it has got the
23:20
same damage threshold it would be good
23:23
to know what the damage threshold for
23:26
different materials is because then we
23:28
could exploit the lenses and can predict
23:30
what the lenses were going to be capable
23:32
of now you may consider that’s going to
23:34
be a bit of a futile waste of effort
23:36
considering the next subject that we’re
23:38
going to be looking at is cutting
23:41
parameters cutting parameters are
23:43
something that you do not predict
23:45
you laboriously sit down with your machine and
23:47
work through the variables and once
23:49
you’ve got an ideal set of data you log
23:52
that data and that then becomes your
23:55
cutting parameters until the next
23:57
session when we’ll be talking about
23:59
cutting parameters
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thank you very much for your attention
24:02
today and hope this has been of some
24:04
benefit to you
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AFFILIATES DISCLAIMER
The Site may contain links to affiliate websites, and we receive an affiliate commission for any purchases made by you on the affiliate website using such links. Our affiliates include the following:
- makeCNC who provide Downloadable Patterns, Software, Hardware and other content for Laser Cutters, CNC Routers, Plasma, WaterJets, CNC Milling Machines, and other Robotic Tools. They also provide Pattern Files in PDF format for Scroll Saw Users. They are known for their Friendly and Efficient Customer Service and have a comprehensive back catalogue as well as continually providing New Patterns and Content.
- Cloudray Laser: a world-leading laser parts and solutions provider, has established a whole series of laser product lines, range from CO2 engraving & cutting machine parts, fiber cutting machine parts and laser marking machine parts.
